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Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7e1adb1712be679621fa4e74f73970e31d333c0ef55f961a8067e1095f2ef08.png This is what search should look like guys, not all the clutter that we see at the moment, it is a breath of fresh air to see this page, hope apple buys them

Comment ID #6806231855 12/07/2025 07:45 am

Rodrigo Calvo commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

Reading through this thread, it feels like a lot of people are experiencing the same thing from different angles. Rankings holding, visibility dropping, ads getting more expensive, and fewer real outcomes. I’ll be honest, I’ve felt this same tension myself at times. One thing I keep coming back to is the mismatch between how we measure presence and how discovery actually happens now. Between SERP layout shifts, zero-click interfaces, and AI-mediated answers, “being there” doesn’t always translate into traffic anymore — even when positions look stable. Not saying this explains everything, but it helps separate pure algorithm panic from a deeper shift in how attention is being intermediated.

Comment ID #6806226944 12/07/2025 07:25 am

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

I am not saying your content is junk AI slop but this means the ad networks are more selective given everything is crashing down.

Comment ID #6806223252 12/07/2025 07:09 am

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

what would be the best business to start in 2025? I mean something long term that have stability, something you build for 10 years and it stay not crumble..

Comment ID #6806219264 12/07/2025 06:50 am

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

I thought it was Income School logo haha

Comment ID #6806204223 12/07/2025 05:29 am

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

I disagree, I think we have forgotten that most people don't like AI and that is not going to change. Advertisors will just move money to other platforms like social media where they can track ROI. We will find more ads in videos. I don't like this world for our future generations it is like they are using the internet as an advert machine and everything we do we have an ad forced down our throats. Look at samsung now selling fridges with ads. Problem is most people are struggling they can't afford stuff so the whole economy is messed up. AI will become more expensive and ChatGTP will be like $500 a month so too expensive for the average jo and publishers won't profit from it. That is where I am seeing it headed. LLM's really expensive, Google going full AI mode and advertisors leaving, people not engaging and that makes way for another search engine. Apple won't want the internet like this as it is bad quality for users so I think they will step in.

Comment ID #6806202252 12/07/2025 05:18 am

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

I think Apple already have created one as they were hiring talent to make it - as a back up incase the google deal fell through and now they are wondering if to just launch it, its the only way for them to increase share price, plus they will protect the internet and sell the concept like that, they have not stepped into AI for a reason. Sept 26 we will know for sure.

Comment ID #6806199739 12/07/2025 05:03 am

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

I am only going on my personal experience of managing 2 million PPC for a fortune500 20 years ago before I ran my websites, I pulled back when ROI was not working, or it was unprofitable. I honestly can't see advertisors spending if they can't measure it. If they increase the price of products in this economy people won't buy. I hope I am right but if I am not then we are stuffed. I am just wondering how long this is going to go on or they just serve AI mode and delete the blue links altogether right now they are so far down people can't be bothered to scroll to our websites anyway. I am 1st for most keywords but looked at my recent articles and I am getting on average 3 a day so my new articles are not making any traction. Maybe we all turn to video instead.

Comment ID #6806198577 12/07/2025 04:56 am

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

not sure if it's relevant, but ad networks like mediavine not accepted my 2 sites, and they used to, even the traffic was from the US and 1st tier countries, I wonder what they want

Comment ID #6806186904 12/07/2025 03:41 am

John A. User commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

OK, so essentially, let us destroy your economy, otherwise we'll let Russia destroy your countries.... Landau should remember that Europe helped USA on 911 and to a lesser (number of countries) extent on the Iraq war.

Comment ID #6806180313 12/07/2025 02:49 am

clone21 commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

Advertisers spend more money does not mean the search is not dead. The search is literally full now, every query has answers, Google gets enough data from webmasters and their AI can answer every freaking query, no matter you like it or not. For 99% publishers, search is dead, no more moneys.

Comment ID #6806147886 12/06/2025 10:48 pm

DataDonkey commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

I agree with many of your points and wish it would play out the way you described, but I doubt it will. Google, and other big techies, are protected corporations in the USA. There will always be advertisers with the means to pay and small businesses will be destroyed which is what big techies want anyway. Even in a bad economy people will still spend, and with Google at the top of this economy they can write the rules all must follow to increase their own revenues. Those with a 32.55% drop in ROAS can either fine tune their campaigns, raise their prices to cover the cost or get out of ads. Google only needs a few advertisers per serp set to drive click costs up anyway, in addition to other unethical ways Google uses to deplete budgets. And when other countries try to hold big techies accountable, the Trump admin will step in for their defense. <b>Senior US diplomat calls EU policies bad for trans-Atlantic partnership</b> - <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/06/senior-us-diplomat-calls-eu-policies-bad-for-trans-atlantic-partnership-.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/06/senior-us-diplomat-calls-eu-policies-bad-for-trans-atlantic-partnership-.html</a> <blockquote>A $140 million fine on tech tycoon Elon Musk’s social media platform underscores how Europeans undermine U.S. policies even while demanding that the United States provide military protection, one of the top American diplomats wrote on Saturday. U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau joined Secretary of State Marco Rubio and other American officials in criticizing the European Union’s fine on Musk-owned X as censorship. But Landau went further than Rubio by invoking broader ideological and strategic concerns. Landau posted on X that the EU’s differences with the Trump administration on many issues undermine the idea of a partnership with the United States despite the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. The EU’s regulatory stance could hurt shared Western security and values, Landau wrote.</blockquote>

Comment ID #6806100756 12/06/2025 07:27 pm

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

these big brands are too rigid, they cannot make a big moves, they just follow what they do, there is always room newcomer could offer something new, see what would you say before GPT came? we had no idea it would become until it became and it's here

Comment ID #6806041609 12/06/2025 04:10 pm

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

advertisors are not sitting there going "oh well, CPA doubled but let's keep going. lets pour millions into something that is not paying back. AI has got worse since November.Advertisors are shocked, this is not what they planned, they did not plan to have less sales and pay more. The ones still spending are the big brands protecting share of voice, and even they are asking hard questions. Google and microsoft are trying to change the definitions to manipulate the numbers ROI to go from view>click>sale to just brand awareness. That won't work and that shows panic, especially as Microsoft has increase the ROI time by 90 days (re: barrys video). So yeah. It's kicking off. Google's Q4 numbers might look fine. But that doesn't mean the people paying those bills are fine, and if they are unhappy to keep paying the bills as they are not making the sales. This will be seen next year, April time. And if ROAS doesn't recover those bills mean Google will stop getting paid. A no click internet means a no ad click internet if no-one is clicking: no-one is buying:. ... from that study: Ecom: Spend up 17.8%. ROAS down 32.55%. CPA up 50% people on here who are in the ad game have already said it is costing a fortune without sales. The public are broke and won't buy at higher prices so the whole thing will implode. I think this is why all the job losses have been scheduled, because too much money is in the stock market and it will go bust.

Comment ID #6806020404 12/06/2025 03:12 pm

DataDonkey commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

There is no hope and wishful thinking doesn't pay the bills. Maybe Judge Brinkema will do something with Google's ad monopoly, but I'm sure Google has contingency plans should that happen which would include years of appeals. Any new lawsuits against Google would take about five years to resolve if we use Epic's legal victory against Google for the timeline. Trump and his admin won't direct the DOJ or FTC to go after Google because Trump thinks winning an AI race is the most important thing, even as small businesses lost over 100K jobs last month. It may be time for those still left in this industry to make some very tough decisions and objectively look at the current state of affairs. Contrary to what you've been saying, advertisers are spending more and many won't abandon Google Ads because they need the traffic to survive. Google controls 90% of the search market so they using their monopoly to shaft advertisers at will. Users are slowly being conditioned to accept AI instead of links to other sites. Organic results will probably be gone within a few years or used sparingly by Google for specific niches.

Comment ID #6805983548 12/06/2025 01:40 pm

John A. User commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

there's no point in any one creating a new search engine when Google has illegally got 90% of the market and Mehta said they can continue

Comment ID #6805974834 12/06/2025 01:18 pm

DataDonkey commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

<blockquote>they need to deal with the crisis of having no ad money over christmas</blockquote>Where are you getting this data from? From everything I've seen, ad spend has increased YOY which means Google is making more money from advertisers. See this Linkedin cyber monday post that analyzed data from 5,000+ ecommerce stores and 15,000 lead gen sites. Advertisers are spending more and getting less which is Google's monopolistic squeeze. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dcec39554a751baa98511122009dd7a6afcefa551ac9ad922c7f1d2201de19de.jpg

Comment ID #6805970989 12/06/2025 01:08 pm

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

yeah isn't there a new search engine in the making? I wonder how is this not opportunity for some

Comment ID #6805969602 12/06/2025 01:05 pm

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

They don't care, websites to them are finished, they need to deal with the crisis of having no ad money over christmas they jacked up AI to a crazy amount and this has effected the tools

Comment ID #6805958185 12/06/2025 12:34 pm

Ted (or Big T) commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

Why GSC not updated about 46 hours?

Comment ID #6805952218 12/06/2025 12:18 pm

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

The only hope is that the advertisors won't pay stupid prices in AI for ads. Why would advertisors pay when they are not selling anything? People also don't want AI and turn off click off when it appears. I used AI last few days and it can't do stuff, it is not that great. I don't think the answer is in the law I think it is in the advertisors hands now. If they are not selling stuff the whole thing crashes.

Comment ID #6805894466 12/06/2025 09:43 am

DataDonkey commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

Yesterday the NY Times filed a lawsuit against Perplexity for AI theft and on Thursday sued the US Government for the White House's propaganda press policy journalists must adhere to. Bill Gates daughter Phoebe is also raising money for her AI shopping startup valued at $180 million. I don't see much changing because lawsuits will take years to resolve because of appeals, and many of us will be dead and forgotten by then. Look at Chegg who is suing Google and laid off almost half their staff a month ago. By the time Chegg's lawsuit goes to trial, they will be bankrupt. See Chegg's stock chart and it looks similar to those posting GA screenshots. I think Chegg risks being kicked off the NYSE because their stock value is < $1. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/197e71f1eaea28bb04fb79ae9f5ca2ab691a39d40ffff08db07f4d6ec428a191.jpg

Comment ID #6805874946 12/06/2025 08:42 am

cini commented on Google Search Console Performance Reports & Page Indexing Delayed

This time not even able to select the latest date in custom range.

Comment ID #6805859801 12/06/2025 07:44 am

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

How long can we survive for before we have to close our websites? Right now I am not sure. I am seeing AI competitors pop up all over the place in my niche but they get no traffic. 10k pages in 2 days and being ranked. Honestly, it is a tough world out there now. We need another search engine, websites are NOT going away as people and advertisors still want them. Google are doing what they did with GA4 forcing something that is sh%it which ends up with less users. The only GOOD thing they did was create Google Search in a garage - since then everything they have done has been bad for the world.

Comment ID #6805844587 12/06/2025 06:33 am

Sam commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

Have we forgotten about the lawsuits from publishers. It is the worse traffic I have seen in all my life. I don't know what he is on about?

Comment ID #6805834018 12/06/2025 05:35 am

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

I never had a chance to "taste" what email list could give me because of wrong niche, but I hope you do well with it

Comment ID #6805832141 12/06/2025 05:24 am

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

it's cloud, I wonder what they are doing, I never had this issue

Comment ID #6805820445 12/06/2025 04:13 am

googleisjoke commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

thanks checking it

Comment ID #6805820398 12/06/2025 04:13 am

2025 commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

On several other platforms, including Facebook Groups, people have stopped trying to frame sentences properly, even when they're writing in English. The truth is, once you lose the motivation to work on something, you naturally lose interest in being professional.

Comment ID #6805814022 12/06/2025 03:31 am

Sensei commented on Google Search Ranking Volatility Heated December 3-4

This latest bullshit of theirs is reminiscent of a couple months ago when the soulless lying c0cksuckers at Google got caught lying to the public about the status of search: <a href="https://www.seroundtable.com/google-open-web-is-in-rapid-decline-40068.html">https://www.seroundtable.com/google-open-web-is-in-rapid-decline-40068.html</a>

Comment ID #6805757138 12/05/2025 09:26 pm

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